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Questions for Jan Copeland and the NCPIC


Jan Copeland, director of the NCPIC, has agreed to answer questions from the Australian cannabis community regarding the NCPIC and the role they play in educating Australian's about cannabis which you would already know if you saw THIS THREAD

So far she has only offered an hour but we would be happier to see her take part in this thread for a short time each week instead, which is what we will be asking of her. :gathering:

If you have a question for Jan Copeland or the NCPIC then post it here.

Please keep all posts as short as possible. (Don't hog the microphone in other words) :bongon:

If you want to discuss this thread or the NCPIC and have no questions, please do that in this thread here The NCPIC Discussion Thread


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I would like to know how much money did the NCPIC receive in the last financial year (2009/10)....

1) from Australian Government funding via grants or other.
2) from any Australian political party not holding government via donations or other.
3) from Australian businesses via donations or other.
4) from any religious organisations or charities etc.via donations or other.
5) from any law enforcement agency via donations or other.
6) from any pharmaceutical company via donations or other.
7) from individuals via donations or other.
8) from any entity overseas at all via donations or other.
9) in total from any source.


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Hi Jan,
First of all, I want to apologize for my grumpy reply in the other thread :/
The reason I get so worked up about this subject is because I feel very strongly about the Medical use of Cannabis.
In my 23yrs of using Cannabis, I have never seen ANY adverse side effects...and since actually taking an interest, I have found it to be beneficial for more things than I could imagine :o

My questions are,
QUOTE FROM NCPIC FACTSHEET PAGE - “Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is unclear why this is the case, but it may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis.”
What scientific documentation does NCPIC have to prove this? And how old is that information?

Also, what research does NCPIC actually do? And where do they/you get their/your information?

Has there been recent human trials with Cannabis in Australia? If not, why not?

Would NCPIC be willing to help a Medical Cannabis research board/organization by publicizing ALL of its findings, if such an organization were operating?



I look forward to seeing what you have to say.
Cheers Me :bongon:
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There is proven Medical benefit to people who use Cannabis for a variety of illnesses. Cancer, AIDS and Glaucoma to name a few, so my question is;

How can the NCPIC be trusted to provide factual information regarding medical benefits of Cannabis use to sufferers and their carer’s, or other concerned people when their mission statement is “The NCPIC mission is to reduce the use of cannabis in Australia by preventing uptake and harms associated with its use in the Australian community.”</SPAN>

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The Hash Nibbler
Apr 15 2011 01:29 PM
Hi Jan, just a quick question. I was wondering how much of your research involves looking at before/after comparisons of successful Cannabis decriminalization in other countries and their Medical statistics/ reports? Seems to be a huge difference between their facts and the prohibition propaganda we are presented with here. Thankyou. Gh72
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Hi Jan,
First of all, I want to apologize for my grumpy reply in the other thread :/
The reason I get so worked up about this subject is because I feel very strongly about the Medical use of Cannabis.
In my 23yrs of using Cannabis, I have never seen ANY adverse side effects...and since actually taking an interest, I have found it to be beneficial for more things than I could imagine :o

My questions are,
QUOTE FROM NCPIC FACTSHEET PAGE - “Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is unclear why this is the case, but it may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis.”
What scientific documentation does NCPIC have to prove this? And how old is that information?

Also, what research does NCPIC actually do? And where do they/you get their/your information?

Has there been recent human trials with Cannabis in Australia? If not, why not?

Would NCPIC be willing to help a Medical Cannabis research board/organization by publicizing ALL of its findings, if such an organization were operating?



I look forward to seeing what you have to say.
Cheers Me :bongon:


Hi Bongon,
Apology accepted, I understand people feel strongly and hope we can be respectful. I am pleased to hear you have not seen, let alone experienced, a single adverse effect from cannabis. I wish I could say the same for drugs I use, includimg coffee.

Cannabis and violence:
First it should be acknowledged that we note that "Research also shows that cannabis users who commit violent acts usually have a history of violence before they start using the drug." Having said that there are a number of studies that link cannabis use with agression/violence while this seems to be counter intuitive when people are stoned. Here is the abstract of a 2010 paper by Swartout, K.M. & White, J.W. in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 25(9), 1716-1735 for example.
"The relationship between drug use and sexual aggression in a sample of men
was examined at five time points from adolescence through the 4th year
of college. Hierarchical linear modeling explored the relationship between
proximal drug use and severity of sexual aggression after controlling for
proximal alcohol use at each time period. Results revealed that proximal
drug use was associated with sexual aggression severity: Increased drug use
predicted increased severity of sexual aggression across time. A second set of
analyses explored the relationship between distal marijuana use and severity
of sexual aggression after controlling for distal alcohol use. Results indicated
that increased marijuana use predicted increased severity of sexual aggression
across time. A third set of analyses explored the relationship between distal
use of other illicit drugs and severity of sexual aggression after controlling for
distal alcohol use. Results mirrored those of the second set of analyses and
are discussed in terms of drug use as a component of deviant lifestyles that
may include sexually aggressive behavior, including implications for applied
settings."
As we also note in the factsheet the association may be as a result of the individual's other psychological problems and dealing in an illicit drug market. A related area we are interested in helping with are members of remote indigenous communities who are concerned about the aggression of some young males in particular when unable to access $$ for cannabis and are experiencing withdrawal as it is very disruptive to these small communities and causing distress among female elders.

NCPIC Research: we conduct a range of original research projects, some funded by other research bodies such as NH&MRC. These include telephone, web and mail delivered interventions, better tools to measure cannabis use and our new study using Sativex for cannabis withdrawal which is a mouth spray of THC & CBD. Check our website to learn about our latest studies. In general terms we access our information in the accepted scientific manner searching databases where peer reviewed articles are in a searchable form. Our materials are in turn peer reviewed before posting.

I am not aware of any trials using smoked herbal cannabis and see no reason to do so when Sativex is available to scientists as a botanical pharmaceutical of known cannabinoid dose and combination, which is organically grown and not smoked & doesn't have to be swallowed when people are feeling nauseous.

NCPIC is not funded to work on medicinal cannabis as it is a specialist science. I am happy to pass on any contacts I may have to assist publicising should this board be established.
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I would like to know how much money did the NCPIC receive in the last financial year (2009/10)....

1) from Australian Government funding via grants or other.
2) from any Australian political party not holding government via donations or other.
3) from Australian businesses via donations or other.
4) from any religious organisations or charities etc.via donations or other.
5) from any law enforcement agency via donations or other.
6) from any pharmaceutical company via donations or other.
7) from individuals via donations or other.
8) from any entity overseas at all via donations or other.
9) in total from any source.


Peace MongyMan


1) We receive around $3million per year which is shared among the 8 consortium partners
2) Nil
3) Nil
4) Nil
5) No funding but we do work with the Queensland Police Service on a project where they pay for people to attend community workshops in indigenous communities
6) GW Pharmaceuticals are providing us with Sativex for our upcoming trial but no financial support
7) Nil
8) GW Pharma is a British Company as above
9) We have NH&MRC funding for the Sativex trial which is around $270,000
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Hi Jan, just a quick question. I was wondering how much of your research involves looking at before/after comparisons of successful Cannabis decriminalization in other countries and their Medical statistics/ reports? Seems to be a huge difference between their facts and the prohibition propaganda we are presented with here. Thankyou. Gh72


Cannabis policy is not in our brief so we don't comment on it either way. Personally I work closely with Alison Ritter from the Drug Policy Modelling Program as we are Assistant Directors of NDARC so I am aware of international trends and spent some time in the Netherlands with the Trimbos Institute last year (on research not policy directly).
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There is proven Medical benefit to people who use Cannabis for a variety of illnesses. Cancer, AIDS and Glaucoma to name a few, so my question is;

How can the NCPIC be trusted to provide factual information regarding medical benefits of Cannabis use to sufferers and their carer’s, or other concerned people when their mission statement is “The NCPIC mission is to reduce the use of cannabis in Australia by preventing uptake and harms associated with its use in the Australian community.”</SPAN>

:peace:


NCPIC is not a source of information on medicinal cannabis. That is an important and interesting question for specialist scientists and they should be the appropriate sources for that kind of research.
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Thanks for your time today.

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Thanks for the opportunity to join - I have to go to a meeting now and then pick up my new glasses (old age is a sad thing). Please email me a reminder for next week so I don't forget to sign up. Cheers, Jan
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Thanks for the opportunity to join - I have to go to a meeting now and then pick up my new glasses (old age is a sad thing). Please email me a reminder for next week so I don't forget to sign up. Cheers, Jan


Thank you Jan, I will do. You wont need to sign up again just use the same login.

Peace MongyMan
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The Hash Nibbler
Apr 15 2011 03:30 PM
Thanks for the reply Jan, Hope this can become a regular thing, so we can learn a bit more about each others thoughts on Cannabis. Peace. Gh72
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Cheers, Jan!

Oh, and BTW, have you ever smoked weed?
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Hi Jan, thanks for getting back to us :)

ok so looking at your scientific research reply, i interpret it in layman's terms,...correct me if im wrong but i read it as though these people who`ve produced these stats are getting their information from psychologists, psychiatrists and doctors who`ve given their opinion? and those opinions are based on people aged from 13 to 18 over a short amount of time? .....mmmm kay :scratchin:
thats not very solid research imo...and to say that cannabis increases "sexual aggression" is outright wrong :ack:
if this were true the prison systems would be FULL of rapists due to Cannabis :rolleyes:

from my experience, doctors, psychiatrists & psychologists dont tend to believe what i report, and 100% of the time end up offering some sort of anti depressant. :bleh:

you say you`re interested in helping emote indigenous communities who are concerned about the aggression of some young males in particular when unable to access $$ for cannabis and are experiencing withdrawal as it is very disruptive to these small communities and causing distress among female elders.

oohh kay ......why not just legalize it? :wacko:
the reason they cant get money for it is because the prohibition has caused the prices to go through the roof.
if it were readily accessible for these people the problem would be solved :rolleyes:

and im curious, these interventions you talk of, where NCPIC conduct their own original research projects.....is that a collective of people who dont use Cannabis that sit around throwing ideas at each other, or are the general public invited to say their piece?

also, i never mention anything about smoking when i asked about human trials..... - i understand that smoking any vegetable matter would be carcinogenic.....but i dont think ingesting it would be harmful.
while the Cannabis might have been grown organically, sativex, marinol and dronabinol are all man made with additives ...not to mention they`re NOT readily available to the general public at reasonable prices. >:(

Cannabis resin can be extracted naturally and consumed/used in a number of ways......i dont see the problem there :nea:

Thanks again,

Me :bongon:
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ConvexConepiece
Apr 15 2011 07:16 PM

Having said that there are a number of studies that link cannabis use with agression/violence while this seems to be counter intuitive when people are stoned.


If aggression was such a focal point in why cannabis is criminalized, then why is alcohol legal and 'encouraged in society'. Comparing aggression levels between alcohol and cannabis doesn't take a psychologist degree it's a no brainer - cannabis _if anything_ clearly does not contribute directly to domestic or sexual violence. What does contribute to drug related violence is us 'users' having to go behind the law to aquire and enjoy this gift of nature. Many folk refer to it as their 'medicine' - because the pharmaceuticals have let them down. If the government wasn't waging war on cannabis there wouldn't be an underground market & associated crime attached. These folks who use it for more than recreational reasons wouldn't have to be paranoid the cops are going to bust their door in constantly feeling like a criminal.

Studies into far fetched ideas are obviously propaganda attempts - witch hunting if you will. The paper by Swartout, K.M. & White, J.W is an absolute crock, possibly originating from a scam to claim a government grant for 'research', which was them embezzled into their pockets. If that's wildly outrageous of me to say i'm sorry but by the summary you posted i'd sooner believe that than the paper having much more than a smear of truth in it relating to cannabis being a cause. It's the governments stance on cannabis that causes violence if anything.


As we also note in the factsheet the association may be as a result of the individual's other psychological problems and dealing in an illicit drug market.



Oh great! the NCPIC does realize what I was getting at above. Too bad it's only 'noted' and not recognized as 'a main contributing factor'.

I am not aware of any trials using smoked herbal cannabis and see no reason to do so when Sativex is available to scientists as a botanical pharmaceutical of known cannabinoid dose and combination, which is organically grown and not smoked & doesn't have to be swallowed when people are feeling nauseous.


Why should research & trials into cannabis include an extra 'variable' - which is essentially a synthetic base product to test?? Posted Image
Do you think that sativex is the same as ingesting real cannabis? Posted Image I know sativex is not strictly synthetic, but then again it's not strictly natural is it?

I stand corrected that no further processing of the hash oil extraction is performed on sativex Posted Image


NCPIC is not funded to work on medicinal cannabis as it is a specialist science. I am happy to pass on any contacts I may have to assist publicising should this board be established.


Awesome, sounds like the NCPIC should have plenty of free time to ditch the propaganda reports and start recommending an alternative to cannabis being included in the war on drugs - promoting a medical cannabis scheme such as the US implementation perhaps would be a good start. Decriminalization all together shouldn't be considered irresponsible or impossible either - after all it's not cannabis that's a dangerous drug, it's the black market and criminal activity associated with OUR CURRENT LAWS. Cannabis has never killed anyone how can you possibly label it dangerous?

I'm also very curious whether you have ever had a joint or ingested some cookies while in an unbiased state of mind?

The best form of research the NCPIC can do into cannabis use is by having a full time ambassador with an open mind do more than answer a few Qs and avoid the others in this community. Try to get to know us, come into the chat, read the stories of our battles with the law, rippers and day to day life of a pro cannabis joe blow. I think you'll find most of us are quite successful, intelligent, well natured and relaxed folk around. You'll discover that we have made a conscious choice to enhance our lives with cannabis. We've had a few 'reps' from gov. ,political & law enforcement come and go. They leave hated by the community because they have been unhelpful, closed minded and biased towards their paying employers opinions. They don't trust us and so we nor them.

Maybe Jan you can be the first that we respect and open up to? Don't you find it strange that australia's foremost cannabis prevention organisation, is not actively involved in the biggest australian cannabis community? How many tax payer funded job placements do you have at NCPIP? talk about negligence.

Cheers for stopping in.
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It has not yet been detailed who we are talking to here, so for those who are not familiar with the NCPIC please allow me to briefly enlighten you ...

National Cannabis Prevention & Information Centre (NCPIC), Jan Copeland is the founding Professor and Director of the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre

'Jan C' is employed by an Australian Governmental outfit whose

'mission is to reduce the use of cannabis in Australia by preventing uptake'

Jan C's job each and everyday is to prevent the use of Cannabis amongst the Australian population, in particular the young and Aboriginals
Where it cannot prevent the use of Cannabis it then seeks to 'treat' those of us who do use Cannabis

It is absolutely pointless even asking the National Cannabis Prevention & Information Centre NCPIC to accept any positives that Cannabis use offers ..

If this is not true then perhaps Professor Jan C can tell us here on this Forum just how many positives, related to the use of Cannabis, the NCPIC has come across in the past 3 years of research into Cannabis and its use?

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I just saw you on the ABC Jan. I have to say you reminded me of some concerned parent who has a lot to say about it, but yet in reality has very little understanding of the actual cannabis plant.

You claimed cannabis raises the risk of schizophrenia, but how have you come to that conclusion when the rate of cannabis use has fluctuated over the years, well the rate of schizophrenia has remand stable?

You said cannabis is more potent, which makes it more dangerous. But do you have any solid evidence cannabis is more potent? Do you have any kind of evidence which indicates more portent cannabis results in a more dangerous drug?

Finally, why does the NCPIC not recognize and attempt to make the public aware of the significance nicotine plays with cannabis dependence in Australia?

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It has not yet been detailed who we are talking to here, so for those who are not familiar with the NCPIC please allow me to briefly enlighten you ...

National Cannabis Prevention & Information Centre (NCPIC), Jan Copeland is the founding Professor and Director of the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre

'Jan C' is employed by an Australian Governmental outfit whose
Jan C's job each and everyday is to prevent the use of Cannabis amongst the Australian population, in particular the young and Aboriginals
Where it cannot prevent the use of Cannabis it then seeks to 'treat' those of us who do use Cannabis

It is absolutely pointless even asking the National Cannabis Prevention & Information Centre NCPIC to accept any positives that Cannabis use offers ..

If this is not true then perhaps Professor Jan C can tell us here on this Forum just how many positives, related to the use of Cannabis, the NCPIC has come across in the past 3 years of research into Cannabis and its use?


:peace:

Mate, you hit the nail on the head there. Totally agree with you.Just watched Jan C on the ABC, Why is it that they ignore the great medical benefits that cannabis has. Oil taken orally has proved it's self. Research in Italy & France has showed it reverses breast cancer cells with no side effects, there's lots of research around the world, all positive. But Jan wouldn't have a nice salary if it was seen for what it is.
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I have to say why are we even bothering here? Does anyone really expect we are going to make any ground? I mean is NCPIC really interested in what this community has to say?

They have their policy/stance/view point, back it up with whatever flimsy studies they can find (regardless of how obvious it is that even any negative study pales in comparison to other substances/social problems, namely alcohol), and just toe the organizations line.

NCPIC is nothing but a smoke screen for other organizations and the government, I mean their name itself is laughable, when history shows up time and time again prevention through misinformation never works, especially not with cannabis.

Too much invested in prohibition and a threat to other industries; god forbid a government could allow such a great thing to be free market :rolleyes:
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This can be a really positive thing if given the chance.. It's important to see how the other side comes to their conclusions and how much influence they have with our governments in forming drug policies that affect us.. Maybe this could be looked at as an opportunity for members, especially those that need cannabis for illness, to educate NCPIC and it's representatives..
It's important to see every one's side in a debate, and try to correct peoples misconceptions with supportable facts. There aren't many people who have more facts and knowledge than a lot of members here at OS..
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Well that sounds nice dani but you will have to forgive my total skepticism, I probably made some stupid comments there as well, I am sure they do some decent projects and work.

Just seems like the same old story to me though, some organization taking points of view, then finding or even worse creating suitable studies to then back it up regardless of any larger perspective or comparisons with much larger issues and health problems in society.

I guess the thing that annoys me most is the whole approach to me is just the denial of the whole human experience, people have and always will experiment and this kind of stance does not work. I do not doubt there are some risks with cannabis and with certain people but there are risks in almost everything in life, some greater than others, this is where the perspective is lost relating to cannabis and its whats drives me most crazy on the issue.

When the NCPIC change their name to the National Cannabis Treatment & Information Center and stop trying to tell everyone why they should not use cannabis, let me know.
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Please restrict posts in this thread to Questions for the NCPIC

If you want to discuss this thread or the NCPIC and have no questions, please do that in this thread here The NCPIC Discussion Thread

Any post not containing Questions for the NCPIC will be deleted from now on to avoid cluttering up this thread.


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1) We receive around $3million per year which is shared among the 8 consortium partners


Who are the 8 consortium partners?

Does the NCPIC officially recognise that cannabis has many known and many possible medical uses if used via forms of ingestion other than smoking?

If not, why not?

If yes, will you please state clearly on the homepage of the NCPIC website that the NCPIC recognises this or if you are unable or unwilling to do this please explain why?

If yes, will you please state clearly on the homepage of the NCPIC website that the NCPIC recognises there is a distinct difference between the medical use of cannabis in the Australian community and the non-medical use of cannabis in the Australian community or if you are unable or unwilling to do this please explain why?


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Hello Jan, Thankyou for the opportunity.

Q1. I assume you are familiar with Professor David Nutt. My question is do you fear for your job if you actually spoke the truth? (but then again you created your own job, no? lol)

q.2 Do you agree/believe that Cannabis causes less harm to Australian society over tobacco or Alcohol?

q.3 How come it is called such a dangerous drug when not one person has died from using it?

q.4 What studies has the NCPIC read in relation to using Cannabis as a form of alcohol withdrawal aid?

q.5 Do you personally feel the prohibition or "war on drugs" is winning or even winnable?

q.6 As a member of the "Australian Professional Society on Alcohol and Drugs" would you prefer me to be an abusive everyday alcoholic or a calm chronically intoxicated cannabis user?

q.7 Do you feel the punishments for posession are cruel and archaic or are just about right? I mean how do you feel about non violent drug offenders living with murderers and rapists and thieves?

q.8 I assume the NCPIC has done/read research indicating that punishments act in no way as a deterrant to a persons willingness to use Cannabis, so why do you not speak out against the unfair jailing of non violent drug users?

q.9 Do you agree that a patient constantly worrying/anxiety about the repercussions of Cannabis (as in being busted and jailed) is actually more dangerous to the mind than the actual cannabis use itself?

q.10 Do you think that Dr Wodak is more informed on the subject than yourself, but you have just managed to get a higher soap box with more funding because your incorrect and biased view fits in with Government propaganda, I mean policy?

q.11 Remembering that all studies point out that "Children" find it easier to obtain alcohol and cigarettes rather than Cannabis, how does the NCPIC live with itself knowing that it is only keeping the status quo and leaving our children vulnerable?

q.12 Do you feel a bit silly trying to tell everyone that you get paid to tell everyone how bad pot is when everyone knows what you say is just plain shit?

q.13 Do you think if I had the same funding and the same levels of access to the same studies and reports that you have, that I could find completely different views than yourself? Who would be right?

q.14 How would the NCPIC go if it was only allowed to use studies/reports that had come from sources other than pharmaceutical companies/fronts.



Once again thankyou for your time and I await your answers. But then again I wont hold my breath.
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Hi,
I'll make my replys following each comment to keep track, Jan

Hi Jan, thanks for getting back to us :)

ok so looking at your scientific research reply, i interpret it in layman's terms,...correct me if im wrong but i read it as though these people who`ve produced these stats are getting their information from psychologists, psychiatrists and doctors who`ve given their opinion? and those opinions are based on people aged from 13 to 18 over a short amount of time? .....mmmm kay :scratchin:
thats not very solid research imo...and to say that cannabis increases "sexual aggression" is outright wrong :ack:
if this were true the prison systems would be FULL of rapists due to Cannabis :rolleyes:


I made no comment on the merits of the particular paper I was just using it as AN example of the kind of literature that is around when queried if any existed. Sexual aggression is of course one of the most controversial so a high risk choice but we see similar relationships with alcohol and it does not mean prisons are full of alcoholics but of sexually agressive people who also use alcohol! The study was quote good - it followed 851 men over 4 years so I don't think it can be dismissed so readily

from my experience, doctors, psychiatrists & psychologists dont tend to believe what i report, and 100% of the time end up offering some sort of anti depressant. :bleh:


I'm sorry if you have had negative experiences with health workers but I tend not to believe anyone 100% of the time in any aspect of my life - it's a pretty high bar


you say you`re interested in helping emote indigenous communities who are concerned about the aggression of some young males in particular when unable to access $ for cannabis and are experiencing withdrawal as it is very disruptive to these small communities and causing distress among female elders.

oohh kay ......why not just legalize it? :wacko:
the reason they cant get money for it is because the prohibition has caused the prices to go through the roof.
if it were readily accessible for these people the problem would be solved :rolleyes:


Even if cannabis were legal it would not be free and it is the remoteness of these communities that make them easy to exploite for a variety of commodities

and im curious, these interventions you talk of, where NCPIC conduct their own original research projects.....is that a collective of people who dont use Cannabis that sit around throwing ideas at each other, or are the general public invited to say their piece?


I do not ask my staff if they use cannabis and make no assumptions. We certainly have robust discussions from a variety of perspectives.

also, i never mention anything about smoking when i asked about human trials..... - i understand that smoking any vegetable matter would be carcinogenic.....but i dont think ingesting it would be harmful.
while the Cannabis might have been grown organically, sativex, marinol and dronabinol are all man made with additives ...not to mention they`re NOT readily available to the general public at reasonable prices. >:(


Sativex is not synthetic it is a botanical extract of the whole plant but with known levels of THC & CBD and hopefully after testing will be available at a reasonably price (& perhaps subsidised by the PBS even)

Cannabis resin can be extracted naturally and consumed/used in a number of ways......i dont see the problem there :nea:

Thanks again,

Me :bongon:

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